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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2012.10.02 17:07:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Suicide killrights victims can find out who's hunting them and avoid them. It's called local and d-Scan. That they choose not to is irrelevant.
Fixed. Carry on.
By the way, forcing miners to D-scan through hundreds of pilots in a system is essentially the same as you having to sort through who's hunting you as well. Don't like it? Then follow the advice you give to miners: Find quieter systems to do your business in. Stay alert. Dock the first sign of trouble. Stay aligned. Add the boogymen to your contacts list. Yadda yadda yadda. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.02 17:33:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Except no. What does a killright hunter fly? Anything. What's their name? Anything. There's nothing to d-scan for. There's nobody to look for in local. There's nothing to stay alert for. The killright hunter has a game mechanically enforced element of surprise that the target cannot overcome.
Except yes. Watch out for HACs, HICs, fast ships, ships normally flown by PVPers. You yourself should fly in fast ships. Being this is a PVP game be ready to PVP at a moment's notice. Don't fly ships you can't afford to lose. Learn who the bounty hunters are and add them to your contacts list. Fly with friends. The sooner you realize hi sec isn't safe the better. Also, stay aligned. Stay away from congested systems.
Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button.
Quote:A Gank victim simply needs to set up a short range d-scan and look out for a half dozen destroyers or a couple tier 3s popping up on it.
Same for the killrights victim. Be on the lookout for well-known and established bounty hunters. And remember that you are not meant to be 100% safe, even in hi sec.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 14:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Seriously, when it gets Matrix to say something like that, you know that CCP are doing the right thing with this new bounty system. 
I'd love to try out the bounty hunter profession. I can say it would definitely motiviate me to PVP :P.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 14:50:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not a surprise. Your character sheet lists active killrights against you. And the thing people have been proposing is that people whose killrights get purchased don't get informed. You might try reading the bit that I've posted some 5 times in this thread. I'll be excited about killrights if the target gets notified and gets equivalent combat rights against the purchaser (like a one-man-wardec). Killright purchasers still have the major advantage that they can team up.
Ok then. Let's make it so that before a suicide gank happens the ganker shall register his target's name and said target is automatically informed he is being hunted specifically by this ganker individual  . Now both parties know exactly who's hunting them. What? Don't like it?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:00:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Malcanis wrote:At this stage the only advice I can give is that if you're such a bad PvPer that hunting you is "risk free", then you should perhaps try another profession. Hunting someone who cannot know you're coming for them, who cannot shoot first, and whose friends cannot effectively shoot at all, when you are not constrained by a guaranteed ship loss, is risk free, no matter who your target is or how skilled they are. I mean seriously, if you can't win and profit with those conditions against anyone, you're pretty pathetic.
Do you realize that everything just just posted here applies the same to a miner as it does to the ganker?
You want the ganker/killrights victim to have a sort-of alarm system that allows them to know exactly who is after them when the ganker's victims themselves have no such thing.
Pipa, you are the posterchild of hi sec PVPers looking for risk-free PVP. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:03:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ok then. Let's make it so that before a suicide gank happens the ganker shall register his target's name and said target is automatically informed he is being hunted specifically by this ganker individual . Now both parties know exactly who's hunting them. What? Don't like it? You already can tell when someone's coming for you in a suicide gank. A half dozen destroyers showing up on d-scan isn't particularly subtle. What can a killright target d-scan for?
This is bull. I've witnessed gangs of frigs taking down mining ships. Battlehips can suicide and take down faction ships, freighters, and even jump freighters in hi sec. Battlecruisers are capable of doing the same. Why can't these victims be afforded the same 'mickey mouse' mechanic you'd like on yourself?
Or better yet, why are you asking for a silly mechanic that NO ONE else in Eve is afforded?
If you're so afraid of ships with guns hunting you down without you knowing (welcome to Eve, by the way) then stop generating killrights? |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:23:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Really? How is the ganker not constrained by their guaranteed ship loss when the gank the miner?
The miner's friends ARE constrained. They can do nothing about it until the suicide ganker takes his 10-million-isk shot on a 100-million-isk ship. He decides when, where, and how **** is going down because he's already calculated the constants (including ship loss). The suicide gank will be on the ganker's terms.
Quote:The Gank victims have d-scan, which will give them plenty of notice of the impending gank. Where's the equivalent for blind transferable killright targets?
I've told you already. Learn who the bounty hunters are the same way miners must learn who's hunting them. Learn the ships that will most likely go after you the same way miners must do the same. And I've already told you what ships to look for but you refuse to acknowldege that as well. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:27:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Name a current mechanic where you can kill someone in HS without consequence by surprise.
Again, you are NOT being attacked by surprise. You generated a killright. EXPECT retribution.
If you're so afraid of the boogyman you could always choose NOT to generate a killright. No one is forcing you to gank in hi sec. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.12 02:22:00 -
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Heh. I may actually dabble into some PVP after this change goes live.
First time in years (ever?) that I get excited over a PVP mechanic being added into the game.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:31:00 -
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Twisted Girl wrote:maybe now someone will able to claim my 1 billion bounty?
I may have misunderstood, but I think the current bounties are going away if not claimed by the time the new system is implemented.
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